小时候对爱情没有概念,只觉得一部动画里人物越多越有趣,还认为这部挺好看的……现在看来,除了我Poca的独立勇敢表现得还不错,其它……
首先觉得Poca和JS在第二部在性格方面,直到分手以前,变化其实没有特别大。Poca的表现不能说是变心了,因为她之前一直以为JS死了啊,所以也一直在努力从那段关系中走出来……而JS从出场一直到和Poca分别之前的部分我感觉性格都挺好的,幽默风趣,很讨喜的lover boy类型,和第一部差不多。包括中间他和JR吵关于Poca该留该走的问题,其实他才是一直都更在乎Poca的那个……JR到底是外交官,想的更多的还是国家之间的友好发展问题,所以他支持Poca为了她的人民留下(即便她有可能因此死去);而JS从头到尾都观点都只有一个,就是希望Poca本人好好活着……不是说JS觉得她的人民无足轻重,只是因为他爱的终究只是她一人,因而最关心的也就只是她一人啊……然而最后分手部分性格忽然变得轻浮又急躁是什么情况?!这根本不是第一部和第二部不一样的问题,这是第二部自己前后性格都不一样的问题……过分了Disney……
而JR这个角色,就感觉……呃,有点为了表现道德高尚而道德高尚……不是说他不好,只是这人设就像是刻意设置的“好人”,很脸谱化,性格特点的塑造比起第一部的Poca和JS差了真不是一星半点……
关于Poca想再说一下。和JS问题一样,前面性格一直很好,民族大义为重的感觉我很喜欢,但是到了最后,怎么莫名其妙地就开始疯狂喜欢JR了(扶额)……还一脸少女地各种暗示表白……这,我真的接受无能……Poca怎么可能这样子啊?!还有为了Poca和JR的配对连Flit性格都改我真是要气哭了……Flit第一部大家也不是没看到,直到JS走之前对Poca和JS一直都是FFF团团长的态度……这第二部怎么着,还成了促进Poca和JR关系发展的推动者了?你逗我呢?!
不过,总的来说,第二部对Poca和JS的还原,直到分手部分以前,都还算可以。要说毁啊,就毁在分手了……理由还那么冠冕堂皇,分明是没理由找理由……
其实要让Poca和JS人设都不崩而且剧情也能基本平稳进行的处理方法是有的:Let JS stay dead…我爱JS,我当然不愿意他死,但是Poca2结尾这个JS真的不是从前那个JS了啊……而如果Poca2设计成JS是死亡状态反而很好维持人物性格:JS被Radcliffe杀害,至死都深爱着Poca;而Poca则是在听闻JS死讯后一度悲伤到不能自已,虽然后来试图走出来但十分困难,然而JR的到来重新温暖了她。这样设计的话,就第二部结局,仍然可以安排Poca和JR在一起,并且可以合理地解释为:JR给了Poca温暖与希望,给了Poca最真诚的爱,Poca因此得以走出了JS的死亡带给她的阴影而重新拥抱生活和未来;但与此同时,她对JS的爱永世长存。这样不是既不用毁人设又不用改你们一定要坚持的所谓JR和Poca在一起的结局吗!然而Poca2现在这个情况就很让人一言难尽……
最后还是一如既往槽一下第二部的画风……不愧是编剧导演都换了,画风变丑了不是一星半点……而且明显越是制作到后面越不用心,因为开头景色和人物画风其实还有点学第一部的意思,尤其是Nakoma,刚开始我还觉得她比第一部更好看了……但这也就仅限于开头……随着进度条的推后,除了中间个别几个画面(有一幕Poca颔首低眉微微一笑的样子倒是真心好看到爆裂),每个人的丑度都直线上升……连Radcliffe都比第一部丑,我真是一句MMP都想扔出来了……
剧情还凑合。 但是,我真不觉得爱情会因为成长而变质。 PS:还有,看了下演员表,发现Smith的配音也由第一部的梅尔吉布森换作他弟了……这是连原班人马都请不起了吗(扶额) 总体给两星,不过为了我Poca的勇敢,加一星。
约翰被总督一党刺杀,在逃亡过程中掉入水中,下落不明。 顾问新约翰被派去印第安接酋长到伦敦(目的表面上是建立互信)。虽然印第安已经来了非常多英国人,但他们与原住民之间的关系依旧紧张,因此就算新约翰送来了一匹马示好,酋长也不肯去英国,认为应该由英国国王来印第安见他。宝嘉康蒂可能出于对约翰的想念,自告奋勇随新约翰去伦敦(带着个壮汉随从)。 宝嘉康蒂(一个女子)的到来令总督十分不满。总督为了让宝嘉康蒂在国王面前出丑,安排她参加狩猎舞会(英国人瞧不起印第安人,认为他们都是不懂礼仪的野蛮人),但她在舞会上的表现很好。就餐时,总督一直打断宝嘉康蒂和国王关于“和平建交”的交谈,安排小丑表演打熊节目。宝嘉康蒂不愿看到动物被虐待,表示抗议,随即与国王发生争吵,互相指责对方是野蛮人。在总督的怂恿下,国王下令监禁宝嘉康蒂和壮汉随从,并打算把他们斩首示众,还派总督前往印第安宣战。 隐姓埋名的约翰在酒馆听到这个消息,去找新约翰,俩约翰一起混入监狱救出宝嘉康蒂。约翰和宝嘉康蒂的重逢没那么惊天地、泣鬼神——宝嘉康蒂一心担心族人被屠杀。 在高歌一曲后,宝嘉康蒂闯进国王的高等法院,当面告诉国王如果英国攻打印第安,那么印第安人奉陪到底,最终会两败俱伤。约翰也出庭作证印第安没有黄金。国王得知自己被总督洗脑后,俩约翰、宝嘉康蒂和壮汉随从前去阻止总督出航,总督也被国王捉拿监禁。 国王赏了约翰一艘船,给新约翰升了职。约翰希望宝嘉康蒂陪她继续探索新大陆,但宝嘉康蒂认为她的心已属于新约翰。最终约翰放手,新约翰随宝嘉康蒂回印第安。
画面不及上一部,想不出好的故事情节其实可以不用硬出续集的。 迪士尼公主移情别恋是头一回见,但似乎也有点宣扬女权的意思——宝嘉康蒂不要跟随男人开拓新大陆,而要回故土,甚至带来个上门女婿。
整理一下有关Pocahontas的史料,引自//www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/pocahontas
Pocahontas was a Native American woman born around 1595. She was the daughter of the powerful Chief Powhatan, the ruler of the Powhatan tribal nation, which at its strongest included around 30 Algonquian communities located in the Tidewater region of Virginia. As far as historians know, nothing in Pocahontas’ childhood indicated she would become known as a folk icon. But when the first European settlers arrived on Powhatan land to begin the colony of Jamestown, Pocahontas became embroiled in a series of events with Captain John Smith and John Rolfe that permanently linked her to America’s colonial heritage.
Pocahontas was named Amonute at birth and went by the name Matoaka. She supposedly earned the nickname Pocahontas, which means “playful one,” because of her happy, inquisitive nature.
As the daughter of Chief Powhatan, Pocahontas may have had more luxuries than many of her peers, but she still had to learn so-called women’s work such as farming, cooking, collecting herbs, building a house, making clothes, butchering meat and tanning hides.
The first English settlers arrived in Jamestown colony in May 1607. That winter, Pocahontas’ brother kidnapped colonist Captain John Smith and made a spectacle of him in front of several Powhatan tribes before taking him to meet Chief Powhatan.
According to Smith, his head was placed on two stones and a warrior prepared to smash his head and kill him. But before the warrior could strike, Pocahontas rushed to Smith’s side and placed her head on his, preventing the attack. Chief Powhatan then bartered with Smith, referred to him as his son and sent him on his way.(第一部里Pocahontas把头放在John Smith的头上面救他原来是有出处的!)
Smith’s account of Pocahontas’ lifesaving efforts is hotly debated, partly because he wrote different versions of this initial meeting with Chief Powhatan. Many historians believe Smith was never in peril and the placement of his head on the stones was ceremonial.(哈哈哈可能只是John Smith编出来的自己的冒险故事罢了)
Even so, if Smith’s explanation of the incident is true, he had no way of knowing about Powhatan ceremonial customs and from his terrified point of view, Pocahontas was undoubtedly his benevolent rescuer.
Pocahontas became known by the colonists as an important Powhatan emissary. She occasionally brought the hungry settlers food and helped successfully negotiate the release of Powhatan prisoners in 1608. But relations between the colonists and the Indians remained strained.
By 1609, drought, starvation and disease had ravaged the colonists and they became increasingly dependent on the Powhatan to survive. Desperate and dying, they threatened to burn Powhatan towns for food, so Chief Powhatan suggested a barter with Captain Smith.
When negotiations collapsed, the chief supposedly planned an ambush and Smith’s execution. But Pocahontas warned Smith of her father’s plans and saved his life again.
Soon after, Smith was injured and returned to England; however, Pocahontas and her father were told he died.
It’s thought that Pocahontas married an Indian named Kocoum in 1610. Afterwards, she avoided the English until 1613 when she was lured onto the English ship of Captain Samuel Argall and kidnapped during the First Anglo-Powhatan War.(Pocahontas是嫁给过Kocoum的!据其他补充材料说还是因为爱情——由于二人在部落里的地位悬殊推断)
Argall informed Chief Powhatan that he wouldn’t return Pocahontas unless he released English prisoners, returned stolen weapons and sent the colonists food. Much to Pocahontas’ dismay, her father only sent half the ransom and left her imprisoned.
While in captivity, Pocahontas lived in the settlement of Henricus under the care of a minister named Alexander Whitaker where she learned about Christianity, English culture and how to speak English. Pocahontas converted to Christianity, was baptized and given the name “Rebecca.”(被绑架了还要为和平而努力,Pocahontas不愧是xenophile中的优秀典范)
During her imprisonment, Pocahontas met widower and tobacco planter John Rolfe. The couple decided to marry, likely for both love and political purposes – although the decision wasn’t an easy one for the staunchly Christian Rolfe until Pocahontas converted.(真实的John Rolfe不是国王的大使,而是一个种烟草的鳏夫)
They sent word to Chief Powhatan that they wanted to marry; he consented as did the Virginia governor, Sir Thomas Dale. It’s unclear what happened to Pocahontas’ first husband, but divorce was allowed in Powhatan culture.(好先进的印第安文化,居然允许远程离婚)
Pocahontas married Rolfe in April 1614. The match was considered an important step towards re-establishing positive relations between the colonists and the Indians. Indeed, the marriage brought a season of peace to the region.
In 1616, Sir Thomas Dale sailed to England to rally financial support for the Virginia Company, the company owned by wealthy Londoners that had financed the Jamestown colony.(Virginia Company也是有原型的!)
The company also wanted to prove they had met their goal of converting Native Americans to Christianity, so Rolfe, Pocahontas, their infant son Thomas (born in 1615) and a dozen Powhatan Indians accompanied Dale on the trip.(有一个儿子Thomas)
In London, Pocahontas was revered as a princess and referred to as “Lady Rebecca Wolfe.” She attended plays and balls and was even presented to the royal family.(觐见国王也是有出处的)
Much to her surprise, Pocahontas encountered Captain Smith (whom she thought was dead) in London. Although she was overcome with emotion upon seeing him alive and called him “father,” she also reportedly chastised him for his treatment of Chief Powhatan and her people.(Pocahontas在伦敦见到了以为早死了的Smith,还叫他爸爸?(这里看不懂,算一下他俩年龄差不过15岁)但同时责怪他对自己父亲和人民不尊重)
The Virginia Company commissioned a portrait of Pocahontas dressed in expensive clothes with an engraved label that said, “Matoaka, alias Rebecca, daughter of the most powerful prince of the Powhatan Empire of Virginia.” It is the only image drawn of her in person.
In March 1617, Pocahontas, her husband and son set sail for Virginia. But they had hardly made progress when she became gravely ill and was taken ashore at Gravesend, England.
It’s uncertain what disease struck her down. Some speculate it was tuberculosis, pneumonia, dysentery or smallpox; others believe she was poisoned. According to Rolfe, Pocahontas said on her deathbed, “All must die. But ‘tis enough that my child liveth.”
Pocahontas was buried at St. George’s church in Gravesend on March 21, 1617. Rolfe returned to Virginia, but her son Thomas remained with relatives in England. He returned almost two decades later at age 20 to claim inheritances from his father and grandfather and became a successful gentleman tobacco farmer.(21岁去世,儿子后来也成了种烟草的……)
Chief Powhatan was devastated upon learning of his daughter’s death. He died about a year later and relations between the Powhatan and Virginia colonists declined rapidly.(可怜的酋长父亲在爱女死后一年也死掉了)
Much of Pocahontas’ life has been romanticized and sensationalized in movies and books. But written accounts and Native American oral history show she lived a brief yet significant life.
She was instrumental to maintaining relations between her father and the Jamestown colonists and is believed to be the first Powhatan Indian to convert to Christianity. She is remembered as a courageous, strong woman who left an indelible impression on colonial America.
这是我看过第一个迪士尼公主能在如此至死不渝的承诺中,脱颖而出的一位伟人。是她使我对迪士尼构思的美好景愿毁于一旦,那么多公主都是忠贞不渝的爱恋一位男主。
可康宝莉嘉在干嘛,我带着第一部的遗憾来找了第二部看看结局,结果却让我大跌眼镜。为何女人能如此薄情,我的三观遭受了冲击,难道海誓山盟的爱情誓言连童话故事里都看不见了吗?
我本以为迪士尼是我心灵深处存放的美好念想,能给我的所思所想增添一丝色彩,毕竟很多公主和她经历的故事都使我流连忘返,回味无穷。
可如今呢,这部风中奇缘2把我美好的憧憬彻底击碎了。我不反对换掉了一的男主,我也不认为第二部的男主又比第一部差劲。相反两位都是我心中都是不错的,可我不能接受喜欢一个又换另一个做对象的剧情。
我就是不接受迪士尼的公主能做出这种事情,公主欸,迪士尼的公主!
我怀疑曾经看过的公主是否仍旧幸福快乐下去,难不成她们也要见一个爱一个么,颠覆了我的三观。
如此温柔善良的公主,能轻易抛弃曾经的所爱,这和现实又有什么区别,可现实中并没有公主啊,那我心中的公主们已然变味了。
事到如今,我也只能接受的是samiti配不她,真是气抖冷,不断找籍口安慰自己。你说第一部,第二部的男主都是同一人该多好,或是罗,又或者都是samiti。
我喜欢看海枯石烂的爱情故事,永远白首不分离才好。
是我不太理解美国的文化和外界各种因素造成了这种局面,给我心里添了重重的一堵,我得要多久才能缓解舒心呢。
行吧!我只能安慰自己,单但仅有这么一位特殊些的公主是这样的,其他的公主们,依旧是白头到老,用不分离,永不放弃自己的所爱,至生如此。
独白:你并没有破防(是的,我破防了)在此我为罗和宝的爱情献上真挚祝福(郁闷)
安慰部分
第一部男主和公主感情一定不够深吧(对,还没达到至死不渝的地步呢)
第一部男主和公主一定不会互相思念对方,因为他们的心根本合不到一起。
第一部男主真讨厌啊,我比较喜欢的是第二部的罗,他才是我要接受的。(自欺欺人罢了)
制作质量大幅下降,而且角色性格也变了,变心变得那叫一个快
新男主上位,原男主从恋人被降格成了打手,即使是要按角色历史原型矫正配对儿,也该有个让人信服的过程而不是如此草率敷衍。第一部海枯石烂,第二部曲终人散,这让人往后还怎么再相信迪士尼的爱情故事呢。
貌似不如一
POCAHONTAS一直是最喜欢的迪士尼公主,翻来覆去看了很多很多遍。不过第二部昨天才第一次看,没想到竟是这样的结局....好伤心【【PS动画做的真够烂
更喜欢第二部也更喜欢第二部的john
异地恋终被绿
不如1好
美术比第一部差了不少,难怪是只出了dvd版本的! 最不能接受的是她和john smith分手,跟了那个新的男人!虽然我理解历史上确实最后是嫁了这个人,但是第一部里两人那么相爱,结果就这么轻描淡写地分了?john smith在第二部里不管是长相还是性格都被故意刻画得比较糟糕。
感觉比第一部差了很多,一个很大的问题,就是把异域女主的故事放到帝国伦敦,女主所有的闪光都失色了,一句,我们走过山水,我已寻得归宿,让人神伤…
无聊
四颗星给编剧的婊子心肠,时刻瞄准靠谱的白人青年波卡洪塔斯真是所有向往文明社会土著青年男女的精神偶像
John Smith成了个死跑龙套的,但Pocahontas终跟另一个John成眷属。
怎么能在第二部就爱上另一个人````
我真的觉得这是唯一一部迪士尼动画女主换了俩男主的
虽然是宝嘉康蒂的后人要求的……可是真的比第一部精彩!而且破天荒的因为理想的发展分歧竟然换了个男人!好真实!
如此一厢情愿的白人视角。现实中的Pocahontas被英国的settlers抓为人质,强行baptize,嫁给John Rolfe后的短短三年里,依次发生了生下儿子、远航到伦敦、以及最终感染疾病死在伦敦。这么闹心的故事迪士尼也可以capitalize,厉害厉害。
行吧,迪士尼治好了我的补续集强迫症……到后面已经放弃思考开始yy双john搞基啦啦啦……怀疑迪士尼在这里试水了电脑建模技术= =
Shit, 不说别的,关于爱情第二部完全背离了第一部,太恶了。也没了梅尔吉布森,太让我是忘了。幸亏不是同一个导演。真后悔看第二部了
爱的莫名其妙,幼稚可笑。没人说女主不应该追求真正的幸福,只是对于这样的时间内要讲述的故事被弱智化了,前作的一切铺陈也都被打散!编剧你并不懂童话,更不懂爱情。【这片子毁了我对异性恋的忍耐力】
记不得剧情,只记得音乐